Brewster Kahle started planning the Internet Archive (creators of the Wayback Machine) in 1980 at the MIT AI lab, when he figured that machines worth talking to would need a library to learn from. Forty-six years later, he says the biggest obstacle to that future is a handful of companies that want to control information instead of selling it.
We recorded this conversation live at DWeb Camp 2026 outside Berlin. We talk about where the early web went wrong and what Europe's copyright carve-out could mean for public AI. Brewster also argues that small-scale capitalism belongs on the list of civilizational infrastructure, and tells the story of the credit union he tried to start after the 2008 crisis.
Brewster Kahle is the founder of the Internet Archive and a longtime advocate for the decentralized web.
0:00 Intro
1:55 The early days of the internet and what they got wrong
11:56 Big Tech vs Big Publishing
15:01 The original vision of The Internet Archive
21:01 What civilizational infrastructure should we be building?
26:03 Internet Archive Credit Union vs Big Banks
